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Labels: Comeback, Headshot, Janssen, Kaberle
posted by mike @ 11:22 AM
At 1:26 PM, TreeBob said…
The hit itself was perfectly fine, unfortunately for Kaberle (who was not paying attention), Cam hit him well after the play was made. Hopefully kaberle will make a swift recovery.
At 4:03 PM, PPP said…
No, the hit was most definitely not fine. He goes right after the head and explodes through with his shoulder.Three games is all that rat bastard gets AND Campbell says it was because he thought it was a late hit which means he completely missed the point. I think he WANTS a donnybrook on the 20th.And I agree with your girlfriend. I think Maurice told them to calm down, we need to win, we'll get him later.
At 4:10 PM, mike said…
I'd like to hear your definition of "fine" and how it dovetails with "after the play"It's blatantly obvious I disagree with you, but let me explain myself in more detail. First, the head is not a body part that enters the equation when 'fighting for position', or 'taking the body'. Of course, the BoG pussy-footed around this glaring safety issue earlier this season, but when has the BoG ever done the right thing.Next, it was late. Waay late. Kaberle is not an idiot. He has been in that situation a million times, and when pressured will make the play then brace himself for the hit. In this instance he made the play without any pressure and then continued up ice. The Devil player didn't want the play to be over so he continued to pursue Kaberle as if he still had the puck. The fact of the matter is that Kaberle had already released the puck, pivoted to turn up ice in a glide, and only then was hit.The hit was without question late. The hit was high, and though the NHL doesn't feel this is cheap, or dangerous, or whatever, and inherently harbors the intent to injure.
At 4:19 PM, Steph said…
I don't have anything to say that anyone else already hasn't, except to add my disgust over the whole thing, but it made me ridiculously glad to see Tucker over there bitching him out - that's not a hit he's going to forgive very easily, and well he shouldn't.
At 8:27 PM, Rick said…
Please post your condemnations of every injury-inflicting hit by Darcy Tucker or any other Leaf player here, with proof you said it at the time.Otherwise you guys are all totally full of shit.
At 8:31 PM, Rick said…
Here's Darcy going after a knee.The league really needs to stop this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3v0EWr24vg
At 10:33 AM, Jay said…
Treebob, you seem to be a couple of men short of a powerplay unit. Watch the first video - Kaberle isn't paying attention to Janssen because he's concentrating on the play, Janssen sees him, thinks "Good player + injury = good for us lolz" (more advanced reasoning appears to be beyond his capacity), and BOOM. Kaberle is out for a period of time and the Devils are rolling around with laughter because they lose someone who plays two minutes a game.But if Treebob is missing a player or two, Rick, you seem to be the equivalent of Montreal rustling up a bunch of five hobos to be their powerplay unit. Darcy does some questionable hits, but never - NEVER - anything that might endanger a player's life. Kaberle was not too far from following Ace Bailey into the great rink in the sky. Justify that.
At 8:18 PM, PPP said…
Rick, how come you didn't call Tucker a f-----t here? So by your logic each fan has to apologize for all of the sins of their team's past before condemning such vile actions? You should make sure that you strap your helmet on tightly before getting on the short bus in the mornings. It seems like you have been knocked around lately.That hit was a blatant attempt to strike Kaberle's head and to injure. Of course as a Devils fan you are probably proud to have someone following in Scott Stevens' headhunting footsteps.
At 8:32 PM, TreeBob said…
I too believe that the hit was extremely late and therefore illegal. I believe I mentioned that, sorry if I was not clear. I knew when I posted this I would take flak, especially since this is Maple Leafs blog. I know Maple leafs fans well, as I have lived with them all my life (who hasn't). However this is MY opinion and you can disagree if you like. I am not stupid or "couple of men short of a powerplay unit". I am not glad kaberle is hurt, and I am glad Cam was suspended. That said, I don't think he was head hunting. Kaberle did not see him coming until the last second and he turned away and dropped his head. Intent to injure or not I think he was suspended for being reckless and checking Kaberle when he was not expecting it to happen.
At 9:27 AM, mike said…
treebob, thanks for your comments and opinion. It is always appreciated. Discourse is the path to truth, or something like that.It appears the hit's timing is universally agreed to be late.Do you think Janssen left his feet? I've seen bigger leaps, but he definitely loses contact with the ice in his attempt to hit Kaberle high.True, Kaberle wasn't concerned about the forechecking Janssen. However, that doesn't erase Janssen's actions or intent.PPP, I believe the 2000 Cup ceremony before the game had a large influence on the way the Devils played the game. White was looking for trouble the leading up to the hit on Kaberle. And without Belak in the line-up the Leafs had not deterrent factor whatsoever.And though losing Kaberle is the largest negative in this situation, JFJ now has a ready made excuse for missing the playoffs.
At 12:57 PM, TreeBob said…
To is not out of the playoffs yet, although with the Bruins charging they had better watch out! ;)Personally, I hate the Islanders for their pickups at the trading deadline. Good for them but very bad for us. It is looking like there is only room for one of our teams.Good luck.
At 2:52 PM, JP McGovern said…
True, Kaberle wasn't concerned about the forechecking Janssen.Frankly this is the part that gets me about folks defense of the Janssen hit. I've done a lot of looking around the Internets and it seems to me that the folks defending the hit are doing a lot of talking about how Kaberle should not have 'admired his pass' or should have 'had his head on a swivel'.Me, I can't think of one reason why he should have been keeping an eye out for trouble. He's way behind the play, he's already made his outlet pass and was in no danger when he did... In my mind, he has no reason whatsoever to be concerned about getting hit at that point. Look, Lindros coming over the middle (whichever time) or Campbell's hit on Umberger, those players need to keep their heads up. They are actively involved in the flow of the game. Here, Kaberle is way behind the action and I can't see the logic in blaming him for not expecting a cheap shot.For the record, I don't think it matters if the hit was high... The hit was late, the hit was behind the play, and the player was in a justifiable defenseless posture when hit. Therefore, it's a dirty-ass play. (Oh, and I'm a Ranger fan, but I feel relatively impartial here and if Hollweg does the same thing tonight I promise not to defend it.)
At 3:22 PM, JP McGovern said…
I just watched it again and I'm really angry about the hit... (as anon-Leaf fan, though admitted Devil-hater).I don't think Janssen WAS ABLE to hit him because his head was down, I think the only reason Janssen WENT TO hit him was because his head was down. There is a subtle, yet huge, difference. The injury didn't result from the fact that Kaberle was defenseless, the only reason the play even happened at all was because Kabele was defenseless.If Kaberle had been looking at Janssen, Janssen would not of have gone to run him because he would known that Kaberle would avoid him and Cam would be left behind the play.Like diving in soccer (or hockey), these hits need to be handled bythe offending player's own teammates and coach. Without that, no action by the other team (which is simply expected) or Bettman & Co. (which can never be truly equitable in a Kaberle/Janssen type situation) can work.If you're the Devils, you need to give Janssen a talking to and bench him for a couple games when the suspension is over.
At 3:51 PM, Anonymous said…
they really should make some amendments to the suspension policy (although who really expects the NHL to do something sensible); i'm fine with the three game suspension but wouldn't it be nice if that was a minimum, with the suspended player ineligible to return until the wounded player?obviously this type of suspension would be for intent-to-injure type cases, such as this one. there should be no place for intent-to-injure in the game.
At 11:40 PM, PPP said…
Anonymous, that is a great proposal that I have been yearning to hear from someone in power. The problem is that the GM-BoG in the NHL is such an old boys club that they won't ever abandon the old 'code'.I remember thinking that that is what should have happened to Suter when he cross-checked Kariya and Bertuzzi in the Moore incident. The whole incident becomes more frustrating because, like with no-touch icing, you KNOW the NHL won't do anything to fix the situation.
At 7:04 PM, Anonymous said…
Ninja - The fact you were just as outspoken about the Drury hit gives you even more legitimacy on the subject.This isn't about Darcy Tucker's past, and as a Sabres fan I despise Tucker, but it's about what's right and what's wrong. And that hit just doesn't pass the smell test.
At 9:42 AM, mike said…
KP, you just made my day. thanks dude.
At 4:44 AM, Robert L said…
The hit only looks late on the slomo-cam!Kidding aside, it's the boards ten feet away that caused the injury. Kaberle shouldn't have been admiring his pass so much. Janssen's slow as hell and he had a lifetime to brace himself for the hit.
At 4:47 PM, mike said…
robert, a buddy dismissed the pass admiring tact pretty well at the time. To paraphrase: he passed it so early, he shouldn't have needed to brace himself. And I agree....and tell chickenstock if he wants to play like that to take his visor off. very lame.
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At 1:26 PM,
TreeBob said…
The hit itself was perfectly fine, unfortunately for Kaberle (who was not paying attention), Cam hit him well after the play was made. Hopefully kaberle will make a swift recovery.
At 4:03 PM,
PPP said…
No, the hit was most definitely not fine. He goes right after the head and explodes through with his shoulder.
Three games is all that rat bastard gets AND Campbell says it was because he thought it was a late hit which means he completely missed the point. I think he WANTS a donnybrook on the 20th.
And I agree with your girlfriend. I think Maurice told them to calm down, we need to win, we'll get him later.
At 4:10 PM,
mike said…
I'd like to hear your definition of "fine" and how it dovetails with "after the play"
It's blatantly obvious I disagree with you, but let me explain myself in more detail. First, the head is not a body part that enters the equation when 'fighting for position', or 'taking the body'. Of course, the BoG pussy-footed around this glaring safety issue earlier this season, but when has the BoG ever done the right thing.
Next, it was late. Waay late. Kaberle is not an idiot. He has been in that situation a million times, and when pressured will make the play then brace himself for the hit. In this instance he made the play without any pressure and then continued up ice. The Devil player didn't want the play to be over so he continued to pursue Kaberle as if he still had the puck. The fact of the matter is that Kaberle had already released the puck, pivoted to turn up ice in a glide, and only then was hit.
The hit was without question late. The hit was high, and though the NHL doesn't feel this is cheap, or dangerous, or whatever, and inherently harbors the intent to injure.
At 4:19 PM,
Steph said…
I don't have anything to say that anyone else already hasn't, except to add my disgust over the whole thing, but it made me ridiculously glad to see Tucker over there bitching him out - that's not a hit he's going to forgive very easily, and well he shouldn't.
At 8:27 PM,
Rick said…
Please post your condemnations of every injury-inflicting hit by Darcy Tucker or any other Leaf player here, with proof you said it at the time.
Otherwise you guys are all totally full of shit.
At 8:31 PM,
Rick said…
Here's Darcy going after a knee.
The league really needs to stop this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3v0EWr24vg
At 10:33 AM,
Jay said…
Treebob, you seem to be a couple of men short of a powerplay unit. Watch the first video - Kaberle isn't paying attention to Janssen because he's concentrating on the play, Janssen sees him, thinks "Good player + injury = good for us lolz" (more advanced reasoning appears to be beyond his capacity), and BOOM. Kaberle is out for a period of time and the Devils are rolling around with laughter because they lose someone who plays two minutes a game.
But if Treebob is missing a player or two, Rick, you seem to be the equivalent of Montreal rustling up a bunch of five hobos to be their powerplay unit. Darcy does some questionable hits, but never - NEVER - anything that might endanger a player's life. Kaberle was not too far from following Ace Bailey into the great rink in the sky. Justify that.
At 8:18 PM,
PPP said…
Rick, how come you didn't call Tucker a f-----t here?
So by your logic each fan has to apologize for all of the sins of their team's past before condemning such vile actions? You should make sure that you strap your helmet on tightly before getting on the short bus in the mornings. It seems like you have been knocked around lately.
That hit was a blatant attempt to strike Kaberle's head and to injure. Of course as a Devils fan you are probably proud to have someone following in Scott Stevens' headhunting footsteps.
At 8:32 PM,
TreeBob said…
I too believe that the hit was extremely late and therefore illegal. I believe I mentioned that, sorry if I was not clear. I knew when I posted this I would take flak, especially since this is Maple Leafs blog. I know Maple leafs fans well, as I have lived with them all my life (who hasn't). However this is MY opinion and you can disagree if you like. I am not stupid or "couple of men short of a powerplay unit".
I am not glad kaberle is hurt, and I am glad Cam was suspended. That said, I don't think he was head hunting. Kaberle did not see him coming until the last second and he turned away and dropped his head. Intent to injure or not I think he was suspended for being reckless and checking Kaberle when he was not expecting it to happen.
At 9:27 AM,
mike said…
treebob, thanks for your comments and opinion. It is always appreciated. Discourse is the path to truth, or something like that.
It appears the hit's timing is universally agreed to be late.
Do you think Janssen left his feet? I've seen bigger leaps, but he definitely loses contact with the ice in his attempt to hit Kaberle high.
True, Kaberle wasn't concerned about the forechecking Janssen. However, that doesn't erase Janssen's actions or intent.
PPP, I believe the 2000 Cup ceremony before the game had a large influence on the way the Devils played the game. White was looking for trouble the leading up to the hit on Kaberle. And without Belak in the line-up the Leafs had not deterrent factor whatsoever.
And though losing Kaberle is the largest negative in this situation, JFJ now has a ready made excuse for missing the playoffs.
At 12:57 PM,
TreeBob said…
To is not out of the playoffs yet, although with the Bruins charging they had better watch out! ;)
Personally, I hate the Islanders for their pickups at the trading deadline. Good for them but very bad for us. It is looking like there is only room for one of our teams.
Good luck.
At 2:52 PM,
JP McGovern said…
True, Kaberle wasn't concerned about the forechecking Janssen.
Frankly this is the part that gets me about folks defense of the Janssen hit. I've done a lot of looking around the Internets and it seems to me that the folks defending the hit are doing a lot of talking about how Kaberle should not have 'admired his pass' or should have 'had his head on a swivel'.
Me, I can't think of one reason why he should have been keeping an eye out for trouble. He's way behind the play, he's already made his outlet pass and was in no danger when he did... In my mind, he has no reason whatsoever to be concerned about getting hit at that point.
Look, Lindros coming over the middle (whichever time) or Campbell's hit on Umberger, those players need to keep their heads up. They are actively involved in the flow of the game. Here, Kaberle is way behind the action and I can't see the logic in blaming him for not expecting a cheap shot.
For the record, I don't think it matters if the hit was high... The hit was late, the hit was behind the play, and the player was in a justifiable defenseless posture when hit. Therefore, it's a dirty-ass play.
(Oh, and I'm a Ranger fan, but I feel relatively impartial here and if Hollweg does the same thing tonight I promise not to defend it.)
At 3:22 PM,
JP McGovern said…
I just watched it again and I'm really angry about the hit... (as a
non-Leaf fan, though admitted Devil-hater).
I don't think Janssen WAS ABLE to hit him because his head was down, I think the only reason Janssen WENT TO hit him was because his head was down. There is a subtle, yet huge, difference. The injury didn't result from the fact that Kaberle was defenseless, the only reason the play even happened at all was because Kabele was defenseless.
If Kaberle had been looking at Janssen, Janssen would not of have gone to run him because he would known that Kaberle would avoid him and Cam would be left behind the play.
Like diving in soccer (or hockey), these hits need to be handled by
the offending player's own teammates and coach. Without that, no action by the other team (which is simply expected) or Bettman & Co. (which can never be truly equitable in a Kaberle/Janssen type situation) can work.
If you're the Devils, you need to give Janssen a talking to and bench him for a couple games when the suspension is over.
At 3:51 PM,
Anonymous said…
they really should make some amendments to the suspension policy (although who really expects the NHL to do something sensible); i'm fine with the three game suspension but wouldn't it be nice if that was a minimum, with the suspended player ineligible to return until the wounded player?
obviously this type of suspension would be for intent-to-injure type cases, such as this one. there should be no place for intent-to-injure in the game.
At 11:40 PM,
PPP said…
Anonymous, that is a great proposal that I have been yearning to hear from someone in power. The problem is that the GM-BoG in the NHL is such an old boys club that they won't ever abandon the old 'code'.
I remember thinking that that is what should have happened to Suter when he cross-checked Kariya and Bertuzzi in the Moore incident.
The whole incident becomes more frustrating because, like with no-touch icing, you KNOW the NHL won't do anything to fix the situation.
At 7:04 PM,
Anonymous said…
Ninja -
The fact you were just as outspoken about the Drury hit gives you even more legitimacy on the subject.
This isn't about Darcy Tucker's past, and as a Sabres fan I despise Tucker, but it's about what's right and what's wrong. And that hit just doesn't pass the smell test.
At 9:42 AM,
mike said…
KP, you just made my day. thanks dude.
At 4:44 AM,
Robert L said…
The hit only looks late on the slomo-cam!
Kidding aside, it's the boards ten feet away that caused the injury. Kaberle shouldn't have been admiring his pass so much. Janssen's slow as hell and he had a lifetime to brace himself for the hit.
At 4:47 PM,
mike said…
robert, a buddy dismissed the pass admiring tact pretty well at the time. To paraphrase: he passed it so early, he shouldn't have needed to brace himself. And I agree.
...and tell chickenstock if he wants to play like that to take his visor off. very lame.
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